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Multilingual Demographic Dictionary, second unified edition, English volume

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Multilingual Demographic Dictionary, second unified edition, English vol.
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621 (Double checked)

Differences between infécondabilité and stérilité is sharp but does exist.
Suivant que l’incapacité de concevoir (602-1*) ou de procréer (601-2*) est ou n’est pas définitive, on distingue l’infécondabilité temporaire 4 et la stérilité temporaire 5 de l’infécondabilité définitive 6 et de la stérilité définitive 7 On notera l’inversion de sens qui s’est produite entre les mots anglais et français homologues : il convient généralement de traduire "fertility" par fécondité et "fecundity" par fertilité.
Used alone, sterility usually carries the connotation of irreversibility, but occasionally temporary sterility 5 is distinguished from permanent sterility 7.
inability to conceive 3 and inability to procreate 10★ are the main, but not the single causes of sterility. Used alone, sterility usually carries the connotation of irreversibility, but occasionally temporary inability to conceive 4★ and temporary sterility 5 are distinguished from permanent inability to conceive 6★ and permanent sterility 7. --Nicolas Brouard 20:11, 5 September 2012 (CEST)
  • ...have been born. Better to use birth here rather than children. --Stan BECKER 19:05, 25 November 2014 (CET)
Among women we distinguish primary sterility 8 where the woman has never been able to have children give birth, and secondary sterility 9, which arises after one or more children have been born.:: To be checked. --Nicolas Brouard (talk) 18:37, 28 December 2017 (CET)
Double checked by Stan. --Nicolas Brouard (talk) 17:55, 21 July 2018 (CEST)

621-1 double checked

I am aware of this distinction of 2 possible defs of fecundity but it seems clearer to say fecundity is ability to conceive and fertility is production of live birth so some women are fecund but not fertile.

One would never find usage that a woman was fertile but not fecund to my knowledge.--Stan BECKER 19:05, 25 November 2014 (CET)

You are probably right but demographers did not make a distinction so far. To be discussed and admitted in a newer edition. Double checked. --Nicolas Brouard (talk) 18:42, 28 December 2017 (CET)
  • fecUndity (done) --Stan BECKER 19:05, 25 November 2014 (CET)
  • ditto (done) --Stan BECKER 19:05, 25 November 2014 (CET)

623 (double checked)

Distinction missing in English.
infécondité 2, suivant qu’il y a ou qu’il n’y a pas procréation (601-2) effective au cours de la période considérée. Lorsque celle-ci couvre toute la période de procréation, on a une infécondité totale 3 ; l’infécondité définitive 4 s’applique à la période qui va d’un âge de la femme ou d’une durée de mariage déterminés à la fin de la période de procréation.
Permanent infertility 4 may extend from a certain age or marriage duration to the end of the childbearing years.
  • The Trilingual Demographic Dictionary Arabic-English-French of 1988 uses total infertility*.--Nicolas Brouard 19:32, 11 June 2012 (CEST)
Lorsque l’absence de procréation est due à la volonté des couples (503-8) de ne pas ou de plus procréer, on parle d’infécondité volontaire 5.
  • The Trilingual Demographic Dictionary Arabic-English-French of 1988 uses voluntary infertility*.--Nicolas Brouard 19:32, 11 June 2012 (CEST)
Fertility 1 and infertility 2 refer to reproductive performance rather than capacity, and are used according to whether there was actual childbearing or not during the period under review. When it concerns the complete reproductive period, the term total infertility 3★ may be used while permanent infertility 4 may extend from a certain age or marriage duration to the end of the childbearing years. Voluntary infertility 5★ is used when the absence of procreation corresponds to a decision of the couple (503-8). (first draft) --Nicolas Brouard 20:29, 5 September 2012 (CEST)
No remark from Stan Becker. Double checked. --Nicolas Brouard (talk) 18:43, 28 December 2017 (CET)

624 note 5 (to be checked)

This is not consistent with usage in US literature.

One can have unwanted or unintended births before total family size is reached. Indeed teens have many unintended and unwanted births and many end in induced abortions. Pls check this para.--Stan BECKER 19:05, 25 November 2014 (CET)

You are right. I proposed to shorten:
  • 5. Unwanted births or unintended births are distinguished from unplanned births that may have occurred at a time that was not intended, and perhaps outside of wedlock. --Nicolas Brouard (talk) 18:48, 28 December 2017 (CET)

625-2 (double checked)

and/or??? --Stan BECKER 19:05, 25 November 2014 (CET)

done double checked --Nicolas Brouard (talk) 19:06, 28 December 2017 (CET)

contraception.

626-1 (double checked)

Careful because abortion is a method of birth control. You do include abortion 2 sentences later but very very few fp programs that I know include abortion. China and some other countries include both but virtually none in Africa for example. --Stan BECKER 19:05, 25 November 2014 (CET)

Yes, but kept as it is. --Nicolas Brouard (talk)

627-3 (double checked)

Good; this is correct usage.

(double checked).--Nicolas Brouard (talk) 19:06, 28 December 2017 (CET)

628-5 (double checked)

This is correct usage but interestingly, in many instances the lit talks of the fertile period during the cycle.

(double checked) --Nicolas Brouard (talk) 19:06, 28 December 2017 (CET)

Technically, that is incorrect, it would be the fecund period.

628-6 (to be checked)

  • I would drop the BBT method since there are 2-3 other methods (mucus method; symto-temp method, etc.)--Stan BECKER 19:05, 25 November 2014 (CET)
You are right, but I can't suppress BBT. Could I add mucus method, sympto-thermal method? I would like to, mostly because it is now in smartphone application and did already exist in the 90's. To be checked and added in Italian and French. --Nicolas Brouard (talk) 19:06, 28 December 2017 (CET)


  • If IUD and pill are appliance methods then what methods are included in non-appliance group?--Stan BECKER 19:05, 25 November 2014 (CET)
  • I have assumed appliance method referred to use of method at time of coitus. Discuss this maybe?--Stan BECKER 19:05, 25 November 2014 (CET)
no time to discuss this.--Nicolas Brouard (talk) 19:13, 28 December 2017 (CET)

630 (double checked)

  • Better to have a few more sentences here. There is combined pill and progrestin-only pill and it would be good to say how injections and implants work briefly. (e.g. 3 months protection with injection and 3-5 years for implants) and maybe hormonal mechanism.--Stan BECKER 19:17, 25 November 2014 (CET)
those are newer methods than in the 90's. For next edition. (double checked) --Nicolas Brouard (talk) 19:13, 28 December 2017 (CET)

631 (double checked)

Occlusion was missing, but in English we can also say vasectomy occlusion...
La stérilisation 1 est obtenue par opération chirurgicale : chez l’homme par intervention sur les canaux déférents, vasectomie 2 ou occlusion 3,
Sterilization 1 results from various surgical procedures: on the male, vasectomy 2 involves tying and cutting the vas deferens; --Nicolas Brouard 09:48, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Sterilization 1 results from various surgical procedures: on the male, vasectomy 2 or occlusion 3★ involves tying and cutting the vas deferens; on the female tubal ligation 4 and salpingectomy 5 or tubectomy 5 involve interventions on the fallopian tubes. Hysterectomy 6 or excision of the uterus, also involves sterilization of the woman.
  • 4. and 5. Various procedures are used to gain access to the Fallopian tubes, such as laparotomy, colpotomy or laparoscopy.. --Nicolas Brouard 20:33, 5 September 2012 (CEST)

631-5~(double checked)

  • Isn't there another vasectomy

method now where something is injected into the vas that burns it?--Stan BECKER 19:17, 25 November 2014 (CET)

not really aware of. But to new to be incorporated in this old dictionary of the 90's. (double checked).--Nicolas Brouard (talk) 19:13, 28 December 2017 (CET)