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Multilingual Demographic Dictionary, second unified edition, English volume

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(The correct comparison should be: out-migrants vs. origin population, and in-migrants vs. destination population.)
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* {{missing French term|81|812|812-6|FrenchTextTerm=fichier de logements}}
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* {{translated French term|81|812|812-6|FrenchTextTerm=fichier de logements}}
 
: wasn't translated in English but in Spanish, Arabic, German, French, Portuguese and Italian
 
: wasn't translated in English but in Spanish, Arabic, German, French, Portuguese and Italian
 
:Dans les nombreux pays où ces registres n’existent pas, un certain nombre de <i>fichiers </i>(213-3*), le plus souvent non exhaustifs, servent à des fins plus particulières. Citons les <b>fichiers d’électeurs </b><sup>3</sup>, les <b>fichiers de sécurité sociale </b><sup>4</sup>, les <b>fichiers de contribuables </b><sup>5</sup>, les <b>fichiers de logements </b><sup>6</sup> qui peuvent, le cas échéant, fournir des statistiques sur les migrations internes au pays.
 
:Dans les nombreux pays où ces registres n’existent pas, un certain nombre de <i>fichiers </i>(213-3*), le plus souvent non exhaustifs, servent à des fins plus particulières. Citons les <b>fichiers d’électeurs </b><sup>3</sup>, les <b>fichiers de sécurité sociale </b><sup>4</sup>, les <b>fichiers de contribuables </b><sup>5</sup>, les <b>fichiers de logements </b><sup>6</sup> qui peuvent, le cas échéant, fournir des statistiques sur les migrations internes au pays.
 
: Thus, <b>voter registration records <sup>3</sup></b>, <b>social security records</b><sup>4</sup>or <b>tax-payers records</b><sup>5</sup> may yield information on internal migration.--[[User:Nicolas Brouard|Nicolas Brouard]] 12:43, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 
: Thus, <b>voter registration records <sup>3</sup></b>, <b>social security records</b><sup>4</sup>or <b>tax-payers records</b><sup>5</sup> may yield information on internal migration.--[[User:Nicolas Brouard|Nicolas Brouard]] 12:43, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
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:* The Trilingual Demographic Dictionary Arabic-English-French of 1988 uses '''dwelling record'''. --[[User:Nicolas Brouard|Nicolas Brouard]] 19:44, 11 June 2012 (CEST)
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:Thus, {{TextTerm|voter registration records|3|812|IndexEntry=voter registration record|OtherIndexEntry=record, voter registration}}, {{TextTerm|social security records|4|812|IndexEntry=social security record|OtherIndexEntry=record, social security}}  {{TextTerm|tax-payers records|5|812|IndexEntry=tax-payer record|OtherIndexEntry=record, tax-payer}} or {{TextTerm|dwelling records|6|812|IndexEntry=dwelling record|OtherIndexEntry=record, dwelling}} may yield information on internal migration.
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: No remark from Stan. Double checked. --[[User:Nicolas Brouard|Nicolas Brouard]] ([[User talk:Nicolas Brouard|talk]]) 17:14, 22 July 2018 (CEST)
  
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== 814-3 double checked==
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This seems problematic.
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One cannot use 2 censuses both to get survival ratios AND estimate net migration.  Need to clarify that there needs to be a 3rd census to use to get survival ratios I think.--[[User:Stan BECKER|Stan BECKER]] 20:27, 25 November 2014 (CET)
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:: {{NonRefTerm|Survival ratios}} are derived from life tables and are applied to a sub-population in one census to give expected numbers by age at the time of the other census. A comparison between the observed and the expected population may be used to estimate the balance of migration by age for the subpopulation. When {{NewTextTerm|place-of-birth statistics|4|OtherIndexEntry=statistics, place-of-birth ...|OtherIndexEntry2=birth, place of ... statistics}} ({{RefNumber|81|3|3}}) by age and current residence are available in two consecutive censuses, it is possible to make indirect estimates of migration streams. Clarification from Stan. Double checked --[[User:Nicolas Brouard|Nicolas Brouard]] ([[User talk:Nicolas Brouard|talk]]) 19:05, 24 July 2018 (CEST)
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== 814-4 No remark from Stan. Double checked. ==
 
* {{translated German term|81|814|814-4|GermanNewTextTerm=Geburtsortstatistik}}
 
* {{translated German term|81|814|814-4|GermanNewTextTerm=Geburtsortstatistik}}
 
: {{NewTextTerm|place-of-birth statistics|4}} Changed from non-ref term to new text term.--[[User:Michel GUILLOT|Michel GUILLOT]] 18:03, 9 August 2012 (CEST)
 
: {{NewTextTerm|place-of-birth statistics|4}} Changed from non-ref term to new text term.--[[User:Michel GUILLOT|Michel GUILLOT]] 18:03, 9 August 2012 (CEST)
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::No remark from Stan. Double checked. --[[User:Nicolas Brouard|Nicolas Brouard]] ([[User talk:Nicolas Brouard|talk]]) 17:14, 22 July 2018 (CEST)
  
 
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== 816-8 double checked==
* {{missing French term|81|816|816-8|FrenchTextTerm=migration différentielle}}
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* {{translated French term|81|816|816-8|FrenchTextTerm=migration différentielle}}
 
: The second part of the sentence is missing in English:
 
: The second part of the sentence is missing in English:
 
:Suivant qu’on travaille sur la population du <i>lieu de départ</i> (801-4) et les émigrants de ce lieu ou sur la population du <i>lieu d’arrivée</i> (801-5) et les immigrants vers ce lieu, on parle de <b>migration sélective</b> <sup>7</sup> ou de <b>migration différentielle</b> <sup>8</sup>.
 
:Suivant qu’on travaille sur la population du <i>lieu de départ</i> (801-4) et les émigrants de ce lieu ou sur la population du <i>lieu d’arrivée</i> (801-5) et les immigrants vers ce lieu, on parle de <b>migration sélective</b> <sup>7</sup> ou de <b>migration différentielle</b> <sup>8</sup>.
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:* The Trilingual Demographic Dictionary Arabic-English-French of 1988 uses '''differential migration*''' and '''migration difference*'''.
 
:* The Trilingual Demographic Dictionary Arabic-English-French of 1988 uses '''differential migration*''' and '''migration difference*'''.
 
:: The English version talks about comparing in-migrants with the origin population, while the French version talks about comparing '''out-migrants''' for this comparison.  It seems like this is an error.  The correct comparison should be: out-migrants vs. origin population, and in-migrants vs. destination population.--[[User:Michel GUILLOT|Michel GUILLOT]] 18:14, 9 August 2012 (CEST)
 
:: The English version talks about comparing in-migrants with the origin population, while the French version talks about comparing '''out-migrants''' for this comparison.  It seems like this is an error.  The correct comparison should be: out-migrants vs. origin population, and in-migrants vs. destination population.--[[User:Michel GUILLOT|Michel GUILLOT]] 18:14, 9 August 2012 (CEST)
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::* The term {{TextTerm|selectivity of migration|7}}  indicates that the comparison is between the in-migrants and the population from which they were drawn, at the area of origin (801-4). When comparing the characteristics of the in-migrants  to those of the population at the place of arrival (801-5) the term {{NewTextTerm|differential migration|8}} or {{NewTextTerm|migration difference|8}} is sometimes used.
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:::{{Note|7| For example, the selectivity of migration from Mexico was decreasing because differences in characteristics between migrants and nonmigrants fade over time; also the origins of Mexican immigrants was increasingly diverse because of the spread of  Mexican {{NoteTerm|migration networks}} in the USA.}} (first draft) --[[User:Nicolas Brouard|Nicolas Brouard]] 20:09, 18 September 2012 (CEST)
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:::* Michel,I am not sure that this is an error. Please check my proposition.  --[[User:Nicolas Brouard|Nicolas Brouard]] 20:09, 18 September 2012 (CEST)
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::::*Nicolas, I checked both English and French versions. In my opinion you are right for both definitions in-migrants could be used. However, I think that for the first one out-migrants fit better with the French version and it makes the text more fluid . We may say for instance "The term selectivity of migration  indicates that the comparison is between the out-migrants and the population at the area of origin (801-4)."--[[User:Elena Ambrosetti|Elena Ambrosetti]] 15:49, 10 October 2012 (CEST)
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:: differential migration is similar to selectivity of migration. Ambiguity in the number suppressed. Double checked by Stan too. --[[User:Nicolas Brouard|Nicolas Brouard]] ([[User talk:Nicolas Brouard|talk]]) 19:18, 24 July 2018 (CEST)

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812-6 double checked

wasn't translated in English but in Spanish, Arabic, German, French, Portuguese and Italian
Dans les nombreux pays où ces registres n’existent pas, un certain nombre de fichiers (213-3*), le plus souvent non exhaustifs, servent à des fins plus particulières. Citons les fichiers d’électeurs 3, les fichiers de sécurité sociale 4, les fichiers de contribuables 5, les fichiers de logements 6 qui peuvent, le cas échéant, fournir des statistiques sur les migrations internes au pays.
Thus, voter registration records 3, social security records4or tax-payers records5 may yield information on internal migration.--Nicolas Brouard 12:43, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
  • The Trilingual Demographic Dictionary Arabic-English-French of 1988 uses dwelling record. --Nicolas Brouard 19:44, 11 June 2012 (CEST)
Thus, voter registration records 3, social security records 4 tax-payers records 5 or dwelling records 6 may yield information on internal migration.
No remark from Stan. Double checked. --Nicolas Brouard (talk) 17:14, 22 July 2018 (CEST)

814-3 double checked

This seems problematic.

One cannot use 2 censuses both to get survival ratios AND estimate net migration. Need to clarify that there needs to be a 3rd census to use to get survival ratios I think.--Stan BECKER 20:27, 25 November 2014 (CET)

Survival ratios are derived from life tables and are applied to a sub-population in one census to give expected numbers by age at the time of the other census. A comparison between the observed and the expected population may be used to estimate the balance of migration by age for the subpopulation. When place-of-birth statistics 4★ (813-3) by age and current residence are available in two consecutive censuses, it is possible to make indirect estimates of migration streams. Clarification from Stan. Double checked --Nicolas Brouard (talk) 19:05, 24 July 2018 (CEST)

814-4 No remark from Stan. Double checked.

place-of-birth statistics 4★ Changed from non-ref term to new text term.--Michel GUILLOT 18:03, 9 August 2012 (CEST)
No remark from Stan. Double checked. --Nicolas Brouard (talk) 17:14, 22 July 2018 (CEST)

816-8 double checked

The second part of the sentence is missing in English:
Suivant qu’on travaille sur la population du lieu de départ (801-4) et les émigrants de ce lieu ou sur la population du lieu d’arrivée (801-5) et les immigrants vers ce lieu, on parle de migration sélective 7 ou de migration différentielle 8.
The term selectivity of migration 7 indicates that the comparison is between the in-migrants and the population from which they were drawn, at the area of origin.--Nicolas Brouard 18:13, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
  • The Trilingual Demographic Dictionary Arabic-English-French of 1988 uses differential migration* and migration difference*.
The English version talks about comparing in-migrants with the origin population, while the French version talks about comparing out-migrants for this comparison. It seems like this is an error. The correct comparison should be: out-migrants vs. origin population, and in-migrants vs. destination population.--Michel GUILLOT 18:14, 9 August 2012 (CEST)
  • The term selectivity of migration 7 indicates that the comparison is between the in-migrants and the population from which they were drawn, at the area of origin (801-4). When comparing the characteristics of the in-migrants to those of the population at the place of arrival (801-5) the term differential migration 8★ or migration difference 8★ is sometimes used.
  • 7. For example, the selectivity of migration from Mexico was decreasing because differences in characteristics between migrants and nonmigrants fade over time; also the origins of Mexican immigrants was increasingly diverse because of the spread of Mexican migration networks in the USA. (first draft) --Nicolas Brouard 20:09, 18 September 2012 (CEST)
  • Michel,I am not sure that this is an error. Please check my proposition. --Nicolas Brouard 20:09, 18 September 2012 (CEST)
  • Nicolas, I checked both English and French versions. In my opinion you are right for both definitions in-migrants could be used. However, I think that for the first one out-migrants fit better with the French version and it makes the text more fluid . We may say for instance "The term selectivity of migration indicates that the comparison is between the out-migrants and the population at the area of origin (801-4)."--Elena Ambrosetti 15:49, 10 October 2012 (CEST)
differential migration is similar to selectivity of migration. Ambiguity in the number suppressed. Double checked by Stan too. --Nicolas Brouard (talk) 19:18, 24 July 2018 (CEST)