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Multilingual Demographic Dictionary, second unified edition, English volume


Multilingual Demographic Dictionary, second unified edition, English vol.
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111-2 (double checked)

  • 111-2 (note The term headship is frequently encountered, as in headship ratio, the ratio of the number of heads of households by age, sex or other characteristics to the corresponding categories of population.) this is unclear. If there are 200 men age 60 who are heads of hh and 100 men age 60 who are not, then headship rtio is 200/300??? New to me.--Stan BECKER 17:42, 24 September 2014 (CEST)
I am not against the suppression of this note.--Nicolas Brouard 13:06, 26 November 2016 (CET)
I agree that the sentence is confusing, but we may want to clarify rather than to delete. I suggested a modification based on UN Manual VII, Chapter 3--Patrick HEUVELINE (talk) 10:57, 6 July 2017 (CEST)
I suppressed the end of the note.--Stan BECKER (talk) 02:59, 27 April 2018 (CEST)

111-9 (double checked)

111-10 (double checked)

A new sentence has been added, by Louis Henry, in comparison to the French first edition:
Un ménage complexe peut être décomposé en noyaux6, noyau principal 7, noyaux secondaires 8, ou en familles (112-1); la famille principale 9 est celle du chef de ménage; les autres sont appelées familles secondaires 10. On appelle dimension du ménage 11, ou taille du ménage11, le nombre de personnes composant le ménage.
Familiy (de)(re)composition is a matter which changed and is still changing. We even do not use the famille principale and famille secondaire expressions any more in French. --Nicolas Brouard 10:47, 20 April 2012 (CEST)
  • The Trilingual Demographic Dictionary Arabic-English-French of 1988 uses secondary family*. --Nicolas Brouard 19:17, 11 June 2012 (CEST)
The primary family 9★ is that of the household head when it is defined, the others are called secondary families 10★.

113-8-10 (double checked)

The vertically extended family 8★ consists of three or more generations living in the same household or very close to each other. The horizontally extended family 9★ involves siblings with their spouses and their children living together. The vertically extended family can generate special types such as the stem family 10★ in which only the heir and his family may continue to reside with their parents. (to be revised)--Nicolas Brouard 19:19, 7 August 2012 (CEST)
Seems clear to me, I don't think this needs to be revised. Possible to revise the definition of stem family as "in which only one of the children (the heir) continues to reside with the parents after marriage, together with the heir's spouse and their own children"Patrick HEUVELINE (talk) 12:01, 17 July 2017 (CEST)

114-note 8 (double-checked)

  • 114-8 (note) husband and wife are not in-laws. Wife's family of origin are in-laws to husband and vice versa.--Stan BECKER 17:43, 24 September 2014 (CEST)
(I added your precision): In certain countries persons related by marriage may be referred to as in-laws: wife's family of origin are in-laws to husband and vice versa. .--Nicolas Brouard 13:10, 26 November 2016 (CET)
Double-checked.--Michel GUILLOT (talk) 10:54, 6 July 2017 (CEST)

115-3 (double checked)

The term traditional family, although it is still used, may raise some eyebrows. I thus suggested this other term, which I think is more often used in family demography journals now. I also think that we need to clarify "biological" before children (alternatively "own") to distinguish from a step-family with a married couple and children of only one of the spouses from a first marriagePatrick HEUVELINE (talk) 12:04, 17 July 2017 (CEST)

115-4 (double checked)

115-4 Broken family: desertion or separation?--Stan BECKER 17:50, 24 September 2014 (CEST)
I added separation, before desertion.--Nicolas Brouard 13:21, 26 November 2016 (CET)
FinePatrick HEUVELINE (talk) 12:16, 17 July 2017 (CEST)

115-5 (double checked)

no remark from Stan Becker: thus double checked.--Nicolas Brouard 13:17, 26 November 2016 (CET)
FinePatrick HEUVELINE (talk) 12:18, 17 July 2017 (CEST)

115-6 (double checked)

Married couples living with their children are called traditional families 3★. A broken family 4★ is one in which one of the parents has been lost by death, divorce or desertion.}} Families where one parent, separated or widowed, lives with her children may be also be named single parent families 4★. Married couples, widowed or separated people who, at the time of the declaration, have no more children living in the household, may have special name, like in Germany, residual family (“Restfamilie”) 5★. When these types of families are living within a household, they are called family household 6★.
  • 1. In the United States of America, a sub-family is a married couple with or without children, or a parent with one or more never-married children, under 18 years of age, living as members of a household and related to but not including the head of the household and his wife. In Great Britain, the primary family unit consists of parents and their children, the parents' sibs and ancestors..To be revised, particularly for Restfamilie --Nicolas Brouard 11:07, 10 August 2012 (CEST)
115-6* I don't think this makes sense in English. It seems like saying Italy Europe.--Stan BECKER 18:00, 24 September 2014 (CEST)
I don't understand what makes no sense?--Nicolas Brouard 13:23, 26 November 2016 (CET)
I also don't understand Stan's comment. May refer to an earlier version. My own concern is that this note seems redundant with 111-9 & 111-10 in which we define the primary family and secondary familiesPatrick HEUVELINE (talk) 12:25, 17 July 2017 (CEST)
Ok as is; one noun modifying another is a problem sometimes but from German fine.--Stan BECKER (talk) 03:07, 27 April 2018 (CEST)

116-2 (double checked)

  • 116-2 (note) 2. Cohort, n.: the term cohort analysis is used to denote a method of analyzing data, in which the experience of individual cohorts is studied throughout their lives, or other specified periods. Better not to use a word in defining it!--Stan BECKER 18:12, 24 September 2014 (CEST)
Well, this only in a note.(double checked).
Agreed: no change necessary. The word cohort is defined in the text. The note defines cohort studies.Patrick HEUVELINE (talk) 12:29, 17 July 2017 (CEST)

116-6-7-8-9-10 (double checked)

Occasionally we also use the expression third or fourth generation. Generations can be qualified according to their current age and, for example, the young and rising generation 6★, the middle-aged generation 7★ or the generation in the prime of life 7★ and the older generation 8★ while the age limits are often vague and therefore require clarification. Cohorts of people born during historical periods related to low birth rates (respectively high) can be referred as low-birth-rate cohorts 11★ (respectively high-birth-rate cohorts 10★). (to be revised) --Nicolas Brouard 09:52, 5 September 2012 (CEST)
  • 11. Because of the depletion of births during the first World war, particularly in France, the term classes creuses is sometimes used in the literature.
The reference that I found is: For someone who had known the classes creuses (low-birth-rate cohort) of the inter-war period... Power in Europe?: Great Britain, France, Italy, and Germany in a Postwar edited by Josef Becker, Franz Knipping --Nicolas Brouard 09:54, 5 September 2012 (CEST)
The meaning of the hyphened "low-birth-rate" and "high-birth-rate" cohorts is clear, but I don't think I had ever met the term before. In the U.S., everybody refers to the baby-boomers for the postwar high-birth rate cohorts. The "birth dearth" is sometimes used to refer to the low birth rates. It might be better to move the sentence about baby boomers to a note, as we do for "classes creuses", but I didn't know how to create a new note!Patrick HEUVELINE (talk) 12:47, 17 July 2017 (CEST)